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so instructors, those of you who are here, please stand up and let us say hello and thanks. and thanks again. [applause] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018] >> coming up tonight on c-span, british prime minister teresa may announces a proposal on brexit to members of the house of commons. then minority leader nancy pelosi speaking to reporters on the party's leadership elections. and the legislative agenda. and later, the house veterans' affairs committee looking into delayed g.i. bill payments. >> labor party leader and scottish leader noted their
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opposition. some argued for a second referendum on the u.k. leaving the european union. this is a 90-minute portion of the debate. >> order! statements. he prime minister. prime minister may: thank you. thank you, mr. speaker. with permission i'd like to update the house on negotiations to leave the european union. first -- first, i want to pay tribute to my right honorable friend, the members. delivering brexit difficult choices. i respect their views and i'd like to thank them sincerely for all that they have done.
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mr. speaker, yesterday we agreed the provisional terms of our exit from the european union set out in the draft withdrawal agreement. we had an outlined political declaration. the president has written to the president of the european council to recommend decisive progress has been made in the negotiations. a special european council will be called for sunday, the 25th of november. this puts us close to a brexit deal. mr. speaker, what we agreed esterday was not the final deal. it is a draft treaty that means we will leave the e.u. in smooth and orderly way on march, 2019. [laughter] prime minister may: and sets the framework for a future relationship in our national interests. it takes backs control of our
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borders, laws, and money. it protects -- it protects jobs, security, and the integrity of the united kingdom. and it delivers in ways that many said could simply not be done. we were told we had a binary choice between the model of norway or the model of canada, that we could not have a deal. that the outline political declaration sets out an arrangement that's better for our country than both of these. a more ambitious free trade agreement than the e.u. has with any other country. and we were told we will be treated like any other third country on security cooperation. but the outlined political declaration set out a cooperation beyond anything the e.u. has agreed with any other country. so let me take the house through the details. first on the withdrawal agreement, the full legal text has now been agreed in principle. it sets out the terms on which this will leave the e.u. in 134 days' time on the 29th of march, 019.
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we have agreed protocols to ensure that base areas are overed by the withdrawal agreement. and we have agreed a fair financial settlement far lower han the figures many mentioned at the start of this process. r. speaker, since the start of this process, i have been committed to ensuring that our exit from the e.u. deals with the issue of the border between northern ireland and ireland. i believe this issue can best be olved through our future
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relationships with the european union. but the withdrawal agreement sets out an insurance policy should that new relationship not be ready in time at the end of the implementation period. i do not pretend this has been a comfortable process. [laughter] all the e.u. are entirely happy with all of the arrangements that have been included within it. but, of course, this is the case. this is an arrangement we have both said we never want to have to use. but while some people might pretend otherwise, there is no deal which delivers the brexit the british people voted for which does not involve this insurance policy. not canada plus, plus, plus. not norway for now. not our own white paper. the e.u. will not negotiate any future partnership without t. as the house knows, the original proposal from the e.u. was not acceptable, as it would have meant creating a customs border down the irish sea and breaking up the integrity of our united kingdom. so last month i set out for the united kingdom. so last month i set out for the house the four steps we needed to take.
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this is what we have now done, and it has seen the e.u. make a number of concessions toward our position. first, the e.u. proposal for northern ireland-only customs solution has been dropped. and replaced by a new u.k.-wide temporary customs arrangement that protects the integrity of our precious union. second, we have created an option for a single time-limited extension of the implementation period as an alternative to bringing in the backstop. as i have said many times, i do not want to extend the implementation period, and i do not believe we will need to do so. this is about an insurance policy. but if it happens at the end of 2020 our future relationship is not quite ready, the u.k. will be able to make a choice between the u.k.-wide temporary customs arrangement or short extension of the implementation period. withdrawal agreement commits both parties to use best endeavors to ensure this insurance policy is never used. as in the unlikely event it is needed, if we choose the backstop, the withdrawal agreement is explicit that it is
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temporary and that the article 50 legal base cannot provide for a permanent relationship. there is also a mechanism by which the backstop can be terminated. finally, we have ensured full continued access for northern ireland'businesses for the whole of the u.k. internal market. mr. speaker, the brexit talks are about acting in the national interest. and that means -- and that means making what i believe to be the right choices, not the easy ones. i know there are some who said i should simply have the u.k.'s commitment to a backstop but this would have been an entirely irresponsible course of action. it would have meant reneging on a promise made to the people of northern ireland during the referendum campaign and afterwards, but under no circumstances would brexit lead to a return to the borders of the past.
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and it would have made it impossible to deliver a withdrawal agreement. as prime minister of the united kingdom, i have a responsibility to people in every part of our country and i intend to honor that promise. mr. speaker, by resolving this issue, we are now able to move on to finalizing the details of an ambitious future partnership. the outgoing political declaration we have agreed sets out the basis for these negotiations and we will negotiate intensively ahead of the european council to turn it into a full future framework. the declaration will end free movement once and for all. instead, we will have our own new skills-based immigration system based, not on the country people come from, but what they can contribute to the u.k. the declaration agrees the creation of a free trade area for goods with zero tariffs, no fees, charges, or quantitative restrictions across all goods sectors. no other major advanced economy has such an arrangement with the e.u., and at the same time we will also be free to strike new
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trade deals with other partners around the world. we've also reached common ground on a close relationship on services and investments, including financial services which go well beyond w.t.o. commitment. the declaration ensures we will be leaving the common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. so we will decide how best to sustain and support our farms and our environment. as the u.k. will become an independent coastal state once again. we've also reached agreement on key elements of our future security partnership to keep our people safe. this includes swift and effective extradition arrangements, as well as arrangements for effective data exchange on passenger name records, d.n.a. fingerprints and vehicle registration data. and we've agreed a close and flexible partnership on foreign security and defense policy. mr. speaker, when i first became prime minister in 2016, there
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was no ready-made blueprint for brexit. many people said it could simply not be done. i've never accepted that. i've been committed day and night to delivering on the result of the referendum. and ensuring the u.k. leaves the e.u. absolutely and on time. but i also said at the very start that withdrawing from e.u. 40 years and establishing a membership after 40 years and establishing a wholly new relationship that would endure -- that will endure for decades to come would be complex and require hard work. i know it's been a frustrating process that has forced us to confront some very difficult issues. but a good brexit, a brexit which is in the national interest is possible. we have persevered and have made a decisive breakthrough. once a final deal is agreed, i will bring it to parliament and i will ask m.p.'s to consider the national interest and give it their backing.
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voting against the deal would take us all back to square one. it would mean more uncertainty, more division, and a failure to deliver on the decision of the british people we should leave the e.u. if we get behind the deal, we can bring our country back together and seize the opportunities that lie ahead. and, mr. speaker, the british people want us to get this done and get on with addressing the other issues they care about. creating more good jobs in every part of the u.k., doing more to help families with the cost of living, helping our n.h.s. to provide first-class care, and our schools to give every child a great start in life. and focusing every ounce of our energy on building a brighter future for our country. so, mr. speaker, the choice is clear. we can choose to leave with no deal, we can risk no brexit at all, or we can choose --
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>> hear, hear. >> that is the problem. prime minister may: or we can choose to unite and support the best deal that can be negotiated. this deal, a deal that ends free movement, take back control of our borders, delivers a free trade area for goods with zero tariffs, leads the common agriculture policy and common fishery policy, delivers an independent foreign and defense policy while retaining the continued security cooperation to keep our people safe. maintain shared commitments to high standards, honors the integrity of our united kingdom, and delivers the brexit the people voted for. i choose to do what is in our national interest and i commend this a statement for the house. >> hear, hear.
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>> thank you, mr. speaker. and i want to thank the prime minister for the advanced copy of her statements. the withdrawal agreement and the outline political declaration represent a huge and damaging failure. after two years of negotiations, the government has produced a botched deal that breaches the prime minister's own red line and does not meet our test. >> yeah. >> right. talking] >> the government, mr. speaker, is in chaos. this deal risks leaving the country in an indefinite halfway house without a real say. when even the last brexit secretary, who theoretically at least negotiated the deal, says, i cannot support the proposed deal. what faith does that give anyone else in this place or in this country?
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the government simply cannot put to parliament this half-baked deal that both the brexit secretary and his predecessor have rejected. no deal is not a real option. and the government has not seriously prepared for it. the government must publish its full legal advice and the treasury a full economic impact assessment of the deal and an o.b.r. and updated economic forecast. the withdrawal agreement is a leap in the dark. an ill-defined deal by a never-defined gauge. there is no mention of the prime minister's favored term, implementation period, anywhere in the 585 pages of this document. and no wonder. there is precious little new to implement spelt out in either the agreement or the political declaration. article three of the agreement states, transition can be
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extended to end by 31st of december, 20-xx. [laughter] can the prime minister confirm that this permits extensions to be rolled on until 2099? can the prime minister confirm that if the u.k. government cannot agree a comprehensive future relationship by january, 2021, which few believe would be possible, and the last two years gives us no confidence this government can, then those negotiations would have to be put on hold. because the focus would then inevitably shift from
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negotiations on the future relationship to the negotiations on an extension of the transition period. including further payments to the e.u. article 132 sets out this process fairly clearly. so can the prime minister firstly tell the house how confident she is that a deal can be done by the end of 2020? and also confirm that if a new trade agreement is not agreed by the 31st december, 2020, then article 132 applies, paying a huge financial contribution in order to extend the transition period, if we are to avoid triggering the backstop as the prime minister insists is her position. on the backstop itself, should it come into force, there's no time limit or end point and if either party requests a review, and if there is no agreement, it goes to independent arbitration. the backstop locks brit noon a -- britain into a deal from which it cannot leave without an agreement from e.u. restrictions on state aid are hard-wired in with an arbitration mechanism, but no such guarantee exists for workers' rights.
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can the prime minister also confirm that the backstop applies separate regulatory rules to northern ireland, creating a de facto border down the irish sea, as northern ireland would be subject to the customs union, but not the rest of the u.k.? this is despite the fact that the current prime minister said this is something, and i quote, "no u.k. prime minister could ever agree to." another of her red lines breached. in fact, the list of e.u. measures that continue to apply, quote, "to the u.k. in respect of northern ireland," runs to 68 pages of the agreement. this effects v.a.t. declarations and rules of origin checks. and it's clear, the prime minister's red line regarding the jurisdiction of the european court of justice has also been torn up. by 2021, under the prime minister's plan, which wwe will
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-- plan, we will either be in a backstop or still in transition where we'll continue to contribute to the e.u. budget and follow the rules overseen by the e.c.j. it is utterly far-fetched for the prime minister to say this plan means we take control over our laws, money and borders. after two years of negotiation, all the government has really agreed is a vague seven-page outline of political declarations. which looks like a substantial delusion of the prime minister's previously declared negotiating priorities. there is only the scantest mention of workers' rights, consumers' rights, or environmental protections. no determination to achieve frictionless trade or even trade as frictionless as possible. no ambition to negotiate new comprehensive customs union that would protect trade, jobs and industry, and so uncertainty continues for business and all those that work in those businesses.
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that risks decisions for investment being deferred even further, costing jobs and living standards, and many companies may decide the lack of certainty simply means they will brexit. no clear plan to get a strong deal with a single market to ensure continued access to european markets and services. merely a vague commitment to go beyond the baseline of the world trade organization. both the first ministers of wales and scotland made clear to the prime minister that participation in the customs union to protect the economy and jobs was essential. like-wise, mr. speaker, there is no ambition to achieve continuation of the european wide arrest warrant or an equivalent, and no clarity about our status with europol or the galileo project. and there is no clarity about any future immigration system
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between the u.k. and the e.u. on following the scandal, many e.u. nationals here would have no confidence, no confidence at all in this government to deliver a fair and efficient system. the brexit secretary promised a substantial document. he's obviously no longer here. so can the prime minister inform the house when that detailed framework agreement will be with us? mr. speaker, this is not the deal the country was promised. and parliament cannot, and i believe will not, accept a false choice between this bad deal and no deal. people around the country will be feeling anxious this morning. people will be feeling anxious about the industries they work in. the jobs they hold. about the stability of their communities and their country. the government must now withdraw this half-baked deal, which is clear does not have the backing
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of the cabinet, this parliament, or the country as a whole. >> here, here. >> prime minister. prime minister may: thank you, mr. speaker. to pick up some of the points that the right honorable gentleman made. first of all, he comments on -- he said that no deal was not an option. but then said, complains that we weren't preparing for no deal. actually, we are -- have been preparing for no deal. and we continue to prepare for no deal because i recognize that obviously we have a third stage of negotiation with the european counsel and then that deal, when finalized with the european counsel, has to come back to this house. so we will continue those preparations. he says that the withdrawal agreement is ill-defined. 500 pages of detailed legal text on the withdrawal agreement is not an ill-defined withdrawal agreement. he complains that the withdrawal agreement does not refer to the implementation period smed it
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-- period, of course it refers to the transition period which is the same point of time. he talks about -- he then talked about the whole question of the decision on the backstop and the implementation period as coming at the end of december, 2020. if he looks again at the documents that have been produced, he will see that actually the decision will be taken in june, 2020. as to whether it is likely that the future relationship will not be put in place on the first of january, 2021, and the decision at that point will be for the u.k. to decide whether it wishes to extend the implementation period for a limited period, or whether it wishes to go into the backstop. he's wrong in saying we have been absolutely -- inaudible] prime minister may: he is wrong in saying that we will not dealt with the issue at the borders anded irish sea. we have dealt with that.
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it took some considerable time to persuade the european union to move from its proposal for a northern island-only custom territory to another territory, but we have achieved that. in relationship to the question of workers' rights, there is reference to nonregression in relationship to workers' rights. he said the protocols that the outlined political declaration does not have references to what we're proposing in terms of a free trade area for the future. in fact, that is explicitly what it does reference in the protocol. it sets out very clearly that we will be creating a free trade area between the united nations -- united kingdom and the european union. and i am really not sure what document the right honorable gentleman read because he said there wasn't references to extradition. there are indeed references to extradition. and he said also there was nothing about europol where there is expressly a reference
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that we will be including in the future document, terms for the united kingdom's cooperation via europol and eurojust. and i say to the right honorable gentleman, there is indeed a choice between -- a choice before members of this house. it is a choice of whether or not we go ahead with a deal that does deliver on the vote, while protecting jobs, while protecting our security, and while protecting our union. of course what the right honorable gentleman wants is for to us stay in the single market and stay in the customs union, which would not deliver on the vote of the referendum. we are delivering an -- free movement coming out of the agriculture policy, out of the e.f.c., and taking control of our money our borders and our , laws. that is the right deal for britain. and it is the deal that we will be putting forward before this house.
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>> mr. speaker, it's always been a brexit illusion that the country can leave the treaties, the european union treaties, while selecting to retain all the benefits that we enjoy under the treaties and repudiating most, if not all, of the obligations. and we have to face up to that fact that's an illusion. does my right honorable friend, the prime minister, agree, that the biggest single economic benefit, in fact most of the main benefits that we've enjoyed from our membership over the last decades, flow from the completely open border between the whole of the united kingdom and the rest of the european union? and that upon that have been based huge flows of inward investment, the creation of just in time lines of supply, and very many thousands of jobs in this country.
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so will she undertake that we will not change the present basis of that, which is the single market and the customs union, until we know what we're changing to? and until we are satisfied that any change will retain those benefits, and keep completely open from any delays in costs caused by regulatory differences or anything else, which will be created by moving away from where we are now, and threaten the economic future of this country very considerably if we just decide unilaterally to walk out, as some of my colleagues seem prepared to recommend. >> prime minister. prime minister may: we have indeed heard from business a very clear message about the importance of frictionless borders. which is precisely why the proposal that the united kingdom
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has put forward to the european union is based on that concept of frictionless borders. and the free trade area that we have put forward is precisely in that frame. my right honorable learned friend talks about remaining in the single market in the customs union. i do not believe that is right for the future of the united kingdom because i do not believe that doing those things would deliver on the vote of the british people. i think the british people wanted various things that underpins the vote. a movement was crucial among those. also remaining in the customs union does not enable us to have an independent trade policy. i believe it's important that we do have an independent trade policy once we have left the european union. we're negotiating the basis of our future trading relationship, it's based on the concept of a free trade area and precisely the point he makes about moving seamlessly across the border. >> blackford. >> thank you, mr. speaker. can i thank the prime minister
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for her statement. mr. speaker, the prime minister comes before us today trying to sell us a deal that is already dead in the water. not even her own brexit secretary could stand over it. now, mr. speaker, to lose one brexit secretary is one thing. to lose two in the matter of months illuminates the chaotic nature of this tory government. the front door has become a revolving one. you know, the prime minister talks about taking back control. she can't even control her own cabinet. >> here, here. >> as i said yesterday, the prime minister is desperate and is increasingly looking defeated. what is absolutely shocking is that scotland is not once mentioned in the document. not once, prime minister, not once --
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have the unique -- of scotland been worthy of mention. >> order. the leader of the scottish national party must be heard. and heard with courtesy. and indeed -- >> very grateful for your observations. but i don't think they greatly add to the quality of our deliberations. everybody will be heard. mr. blackford. >> thank you, mr. speaker. not once has scotland's unique characteristics been worthy of mention. and yet 100 mentions of northern ireland. mentions of gibraltar, of cyprus. of the isle of man. but no reference to scotland. utter contempt has once again been shown to the scottish government, its parliament and its people. mr. speaker, deals for northern
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ireland means scotland can have its own deals. if northern ireland can stay in the single market, why not scotland, prime minister? the scottish government have published compromised documents calling for justice. the scottish parliament has affirmed that position. why does the prime minister ignore the democratically expressed position of the scottish government? what has happened to the claim of a partnership of equals? why are the desires of scotland been ignored when we know that a settlement can be delivered? why does the prime minister stand in the face of the legitimate demands of the scottish government and the scottish parliament? well, you know, the prime minister can shake her head. but it's a matter of fact. it's a matter of reality. show some respect for the devolved institutions. >> hear, hear, hear, hear.
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>> well, you can shout and you can talk about it being dreadful. but why was the scottish government not consulted just as gibraltar was before the prime minister went to cabinet yesterday? mr. speaker, the price scotland would be forced to pay is far too high with lost jobs, household incomes slashed, and shares under threat. now is the time to get realistic and put sensible options back on the table. such as remaining in the single market. mr. speaker, the only credible compromise for which the s.n.p. has consistently made the case for, this deal is dead in the water. it is now clear that there is not a majority for this deal or a no deal. the prime minister must go back to brussels. and extend article 50. and tell brussels that we must remain in the single market and
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the customs union. anything else, mr. speaker, will lead to economic chaos and crisis. prime minister, do the right thing and we will work with you. [laughter] stop the clock and go back to brussels. >> the prime minister. prime minister may: can i just pick up two key points that the right honorable gentleman makes. first of all, he made a reference to scotland's n.h.s. being under threat. in fact, scotland's n.h.s. depends on the scottish government, the s.n.p. government, determining the money is no good -- he's no good in pointing his finger at me. we ensure that in the n.h.s. settlement, it means more money comes to scotland and scotland has chosen not to spend it all on their n.h.s. that's an s.n.p. decision. >> order, order.
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i protected the right honorable gentleman quite properly a moment ago when he was being brayed at in an unseemly manner. let me say to members of the scottish national body they must , hear the prime minister's reply with courtesy. don't worry. everybody will get a chance. but the prime minister's responses must be heard with a basic courtesy and respect. the prime minister. prime minister may: thank you, thank you, mr. speaker. i was then going to pick up the points that he made in regulation to northern ireland. northern ireland is not staying in the single market. what is within the document is that in order to ensure the frictionless trade across the border with northern ireland, northern ireland will be meeting those regulations specifically in the goods part of the key, but it is not staying as a member of the single market. and he talks about scotland being given the same treatment as northern ireland. northern ireland has a very
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particular set of circumstances. it is the only part of the united kingdom that will have a land border with a country that is continuing as a member of the european union. and that is why together with our commitments in the belfast agreement, that is why northern ireland is dealt with separately in the withdrawal agreement. and then finally, he complained, much of his statement was a complaint that scotland was not specifically mentioned in these documents. scotland is not specifically mentioned. scotland is a part of the united kingdom. >> here, here. >> mr. ian duncan smith. >> here, here. >> mr. speaker, can i say that i've always wished well to my right honorable friend. and my question is in this light. i have deep, deep misgivings on reading much of this overnight. there is a real issue with the
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way that we will be treated in -- with the backstop. and i say to her that when you read this, you realize that we are locking ourselves in to an arrangement from which we seem unable therefore to have the sovereign right to withdraw. that seems to me to be the biggest single issue here, which strips away the one thing that we said when we wanted to vote for leaving, was that we took back control. so can i say to my right honorable friend, my concern is that we have the sovereign right when we want to leave the u.n. we have the sovereign right when we want to leave nato. we have even the sovereign right when we want to leave the e.u. but we do not have the sovereign right to leave this arrangement. >> prime minister. prime minister may: my right honorable friend, he says that the references to the backstop do raise some difficult issues and i fully accept that they raise some difficult issues. and i fully accept that across the house there are concerns in relation to the backstop. inindeed, i share some of those concerns.
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these have not been easy decisions to take. it has been necessary, as i explained, and it would be necessary in any deal that we were striking for our future partnership with the european union, to agree with a withdrawal agreement and it has been clear and we wanted to commit to ensure we deliver no hard border between ireland and northern ireland. it has been clear that that withdrawal agreement needed to include this insurance policy. but if i may say to my right honorable friend, first of all, he talks about being held in the backstop. first of all, the backstop is not necessarily what will happen because we want to ensure that the future relationship is in place before the backstop is necessary. secondly, it will be a choice as to whether we were to go in that circumstance, where there was a temporary, an interim period needed before the future relationship came into play. we would be able to choose preference between the backstop and the extension of the implementation period. there are pros and cons on both
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of those sides of the arguments and there will be honorable members who have a belief that one is better than the other. there is a mechanism for coming out of the backstop if the backstop is in place, coming out of the protocol. that is a mechanism that does, he's right, it does require mutual consent. it is for both sides to agree that. it is, and i won't make any -- i won't make any bones about that. but it does enable that backstop to be replaced in a number of circumstances. firstly, of course, crucially, if the future relationship supersedes it, it used to be the case, it was the case originally that that was the only point at which it could be superseded. it is now the case that alternative arrangements could replace it. i repeat what i have always said, which is that it is my intention to work to ensure that such an arrangement is not necessary and we are able to go into our future relationship when we come out of the implementation period.
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>> mr. cable. >> the prime minister rightfully asserts that there are two alternatives to her plan. no deal and no brexit. >> that is right. >> the government is investing considerably in contingency planning for no deal. what contingency planning is she doing for no brexit? including, for example, advising the commission that article 50 may have to be withdrawn, and she herself is preparing for the fact, however much she hates it, that she may have to carry out the people's vote. prime minister may: he asked me what plans we're making for no brexit. we are making no plans for no brexit. because this government is going to deliver on the vote of the british people. the speaker: john redwood. >> if we took the best part of $39 billion over the next couple
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of years and spent it on public services and tax cuts, wouldn't that be a wonderful boost to our economy and the public mood? and wouldn't that be a better way of spending the money than buying 21 months -- the speaker: order, order. this is extremely discourteous. the right honorable gentleman has a right to be heard. without being shouted down while he's speaking. i invite the right honorable gentleman to begin his question again and deliver it in full. mr. john redwood. >> mr. speaker, i was saying, wouldn't it be a wonderful boost to our economy and our public services if we spend that money on ourselves rather than on 21 months of delay massive business , uncertainty, and something which would soil the political and public mood for the entire time period. the speaker: prime minister. prime minister may: i say to my right honorable friend. i said at a very early stage of these negotiations, the united kingdom is a country which meets its legal obligations. that says a great deal about the sort of country that we are. and there are legal obligations, as i said in my statement, that
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sum of money he's referred to is considerably less than the european union was originally proposing we would be required to pay as part of the financial settlement. but i remain firmly of the view that this is a country that should ensure that we continue to meet our legal obligations and we do so. >> mr. speaker, i could today stand here and take the prime minister through the list of promises and pledges that she made it to this house, and to us privately about the future of , northern ireland and the future relationship with the e.u. but i fear it would be a waste of time, since she clearly doesn't listen. and can i say today that this house now has a clear choice and every member in it, that this house has been left in a position where the choices may not have our interests at heart
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and for northern ireland and our precious union, five of those who resigned today have all talked about the threat to the integrity of the union. and i congratulate them and praise them for what they have said and done and their strong actions. and $39 billion has just been said for nothing. the choice is now clear. we stand up for the united kingdom the whole of the united , kingdom, the integrity of the united kingdom, or we vote for a vasyl state with the breakup of the united kingdom. the speaker: prime minister. prime minister may: can i say -- i will respond to the right honorable gentleman. and he is right. he and i have had many discussions on this issue. and i hope that we will continue to be able to have many discussions on this issue. we have been ensuring throughout the negotiations that the issue of the border in northern ireland has been one of the key issues that we have been addressing.
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he refers to the commitments i made in terms of northern ireland and the future relationship. those commitments remain absolutely. we are looking to ensure that we have that frictionless trade across borders, that both will enable not only us to deliver on our commitment for northern ireland, but will also enable us to ensure that we have that fictionless trade between the united kingdom and the european union, and the whole of the rest of the european union as well. i believe that, and there are many aspects of the deal that we have agreed, that actually ensure that we are preserving the integrity of the united kingdom. there has been a significant focus on the question of the backstop. as i say, the backstop isn't something which neither side, neither the united kingdom for this the european union, wish to ever see being exercised. there are and indeed in the circumstances as i've said, where there needs to be a period before the future relationship
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is introduced, there are alternative routes that can be taken. but the right honorable gentleman says to me that he's concerned that we have not considered northern ireland throughout this process well, , i'm grateful to him he says -- he has not said that. because i have remained committed to delivering on two things for northern ireland. both no hard border between northern ireland and ireland. three things. no hard border between northern ireland and ireland. for us to be able to continue to maintain and respond to our obligations under the belfast agreement, and to ensure that we protect the integrity of the united kingdom. >> mr. speaker, nobody but nobody can doubt the prime minister's absolute commitment and dedication to doing her duty on this referendum but the harsh, cruel truth of it is, this is not the promised deal.
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the reason why the people of this country are so fed up is because they've been made so many promises, none of which have been delivered upon, because they can't be delivered upon. i agree with the prime minister, we face three choices. we either accept this agreement and i respectfully suggest there , is no now majority for it, or we have no deal which would be profoundly irresponsible and catastrophic, or we have no brexit. we remain in the european union, the best deal that we have for the european union. on that basis would she at least today undertake not to rule out taking this back to the british people and having -- [grumblings] >> prime minister. >> i'm afraid on that particular issue i will disappoint my right honorable friend. i'm not going to change the
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position i have taken in this house. and indeed taken more widely. i believe it is the duty of members of this parliament to ensure that we deliver on the choice that was made by the british people, a choice that this parliament overwhelmingly decided to give them. that means that we will not be taking the option she said of remaining in the european union, but we will indeed be leaving the european union, that will happen on the 29th of march, next year. >> mr. speaker, the prime minister has once again told the house we will be leaving the customs union but the truth is, we will be remaining in a customs union, both in the transition and in the back stop arrangement which can only be ended with the agreement of the e.u. and the truth is also that the only way to protect jobs, investment, and in open border in the long-term is to remain within it. will the prime minister now look the british people in the eye and admit that remaining in the
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customs union is in our national economic interest because without it we will be poorer as a country? >> prime minister. prime minister may: what is in our national interest is ensuring that we continue to have a good trading partnership with the european union once we have left. that is why we have put forward a proposal which is reflected in that outlined political declaration for a free trade area in goods. it is why we have also put forward a proposal which would ensure the trade of goods across the border. the right honorable gentleman and i disagree. a customs union is not the only way to ensure we have a good trading relationship with the european union. we have put forward a proposal that is reflected in the outline political declaration to do that, while also ensuring that we are able to take advantage of operate an independent trade policy. >> thank you, mr. speaker. these 585 pages are a testament to broken promises, failed
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negotiations and abject capitulation to the e.u. will my right honorable friend understand that they represent a list of failures on northern ireland, e.c.j. issue, indefinite extension of time, customs, full defense of trade, -- independence of trade and fisheries and above all on our , truly leaving the e.u. because they will control our laws and there being furthermore some serious breaches of ministerial responsibilities, ministerial code and collective responsibility? >> prime minister. prime minister may: i thank my honorable friend. what we are looking at here is a withdrawal agreement which determines the withdrawal of the united kingdom from the european union and the declaration which identifies the scope and structure of our future relationships.
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our future relationship is one that will not see the european union controlling our laws because there will be in these areas where we choose to align with the european union, it will be for this parliament to decide that and that will be a decision that will therefore be taken here by the united king tom. -- by the united kingdom. there will not be european court of justice in the united kingdom . and that's what we have negotiated in the outlined initial declaration for our future relationship. but i recognize that -- i recognize my honorable friend as one of the members of this house who has campaigned on this issue probably since the day, maybe even since before he came into this house. and has continued to campaign on this issue with a passion. and i recognize the concerns that he has expressed. as prime minister and as a government, it is our duty to ensure that we can put together a deal that both respects the votes of the british people and
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in a way as i said, -- does so in a way that protects jobs. that's why i believe it's important not only that we take back control in the areas mentioned but that we maintain a , good trading relationship with the european union as well as having good trading relationships elsewhere. that's in our economic interest, our national interest, and that's what we'll deliver. >> yvette cooper. >> the political declaration includes the passage of records and the fingerprints database but makes no reference to the crucial criminal database we check 500 million times a year or two a replica european arrest warrant. at a time when cross border security threats are at their highest ever level. the prime minister knows that
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these measures save lives, stop criminals and stop terrorists so how can she, of all people, say with her head and her heart that this public safety downgrade is in the national interest? >> prime minister. prime minister may: i thank the right honorable lady. first of all of course there is reference to us agreeing expeditious, quick, and effective arrangements to enable the united kingdom and the states to extradite suspected and convicted persons. effectively and expeditiously. that is -- that will be part of exactly the measure of the instruments used for that will be part of the negotiations that will take place. she's right, it is important. there are two further areas of information that are important. and those will be matters that we'll be taking forward with the european union in our first negotiation. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i greatly respect the prime minister's efforts in seeking to achieve an agreement.
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i do believe this is a good deal for britain's long-term future and she recognizes she's had to make unpalatable choices. there are three choices ahead of our country in reality now, an d they are crucial choices especially for young people who will have to live with those choices for the longest. the prime minister says that is -- that this is in the national interest. so why not allow people in our nation to have their say now? if it was good enough before, why isn't it good enough now? >> prime minister. prime minister may: i say to my right honorable friend and indeed obviously this is -- our right honorable friend raised this issue as perhaps members on the opposite benches. this house chose to ask the people of the united kingdom whether they wished to remain in the european union or leave the european union. there was an overwhelming vote in parliament to do that. there was an overwhelming vote in parliament to do that.
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about 6-1. so anybody who says it wasn't overwhelming is wrong. the british people exercised their vote. they exercised their vote in numbers we have never seen before. the result of that vote was that we should leave the european union. and it has always been my view , as i have seen on other european issues, other countries, other member states of the european union, taking matters back to their populous, having a referendum, the voters come out against what the european union wanted and effectively a second vote to sort of go back and think again vote. i don't think it's right that we should do that in this country. we gave people a choice, we should deliver on the decision they took. >> it is quite clear we have been going for about an hour now
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and not a single, honorable member has supported the plans that the prime minister has set out, so it is quite clear that she cannot command the house of commons on these proposals. apt to askwould be if members would put their hands up if they support the premised are on this set of proposals. and not one. not one. remainingcase she -- in the european union is an option, how can the british people fulfill that choice. if that is what they choose. >> here, here. >> prime minister. prime minister may: i apologize, i did not quite here the question. i think the right honorable gentleman said staying in the european union was an option, but no, no -- i said that there was a risk of no brexit.
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a risk of no brexit at all. but what the government has determined to do is deliver on the votes that the british people took to leave the european union. mork. jacob rees >> thank you, mr. speaker. my right honorable friend, and she is unquestionably honorable, said that we would leave the customs union and -- says otherwise. she said she would maintain the integrity of the united kingdom. a whole protocol says otherwise. my right honorable friend said that we would be out of the jurisdiction of the european court of justice, article 174 says otherwise. as my right honorable friend says, what she does no longer match, so should i not right to my right honorable friend the -- sail west?td -- and
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>> prime minister. prime minister may: can i said to my right honorable friend -- can i say to my honorable friend, we will indeed -- he referred to the articles that relate to the protocol in the withdrawal agreement. i have been absolutely clear that some difficult choices have had to be made in relation to that protocol. those choices have been made because i believe, and i strongly and firmly believe it is important that we do ensure that there is no hard border between northern ireland and ireland. but as i have said before, my honorable fred heard me say before, it is not only our intention but we will be working to ensure that protocol does not need to be put into place. what we are negotiating, alongside that withdrawal agreement, is not something that
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will be of a temporary nature, but what will be a lasting future relationship with the european union, which will last for decades to come. and in the future relationship, we will no longer be a member of the customs union, we will no longer be a member of the single end to freean movement will have been delivered, the integrity of the united kingdom will have been maintained, the jurisdiction of the european court of justice in the united kingdom will end, and we will come out of the common agricultural policy and common fisheries policy. as i ask my honorable friend to consider the nation of the future relationships that we will be delivering with the european union, which doesn't deed deliver -- which delivers on the commitments i made. >> mr. jonathan edwards. >> with northern ireland swimming in the deep end of the
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pool, based on the british government's own logic, no dublin.c order -- [laughter] >> prime minister. prime minister may: can i say to the honorable gentleman, that of course we are conscious as we look at the proposals for the treaty relationship between the united kingdom and european union, i am conscious of the significant trade that takes place between ireland and wales, and of the importance it has for the welsh. and if you look at the future relationship, we have made a proposal for that frictionless trade which would protect the business of the welsh ports and ensure that we have, as part of that good trade relationship in the future. >> can i put to my honorable friend that the majority in the country, in this parliament and
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in this party, accept the results of the referendum, that we back her in trying to get the sovereignty she has argued for. the prospects of prosperity, security and a partnership across the channel of the north sea and across the world. and if we do not go forward with this, the possibility of pressing out and e-government led by leaders of the opposition. >> here, here. >> prime minister. prime minister may: my most honorable friend, i believe as i think he does, that is important to move forward not only in delivering a vote, but ensuring we do so in a way that protects our prosperity, jobs and livelihoods for the future. but more than that, there are significant opportunities for this country once we leave the european union to develop that future with trading relationships around the rest of the world. but also keeping a good trading relationship with our closest partners in the european union. >> on gillette you go.
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eagle.la >> will the prime minister recognize she made a catastrophic error when she decided to bow to the extremist in her ownthose party instead of bringing the country together, that their tows are in possible actually bring about. openly plotting against her as she tries to do her best. surely she needs to listen to the fact that there is no majority in this house for the botched deal she has brought back. think again and see weather in this house there can be a consensual way forward which leaves the extremists out in the cold where they belong? prime minister may: i say to the
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honorable lady i have kowtowed to no one. theinstruction i take is instruction that was given to every member of this house by the british people in the referendum in 2015. >> thank you. it may surprise the house, but i agree with my honorable friend from broadside. the whole house accepts that you have done your best. party has made claim that they will vote against this deal. it,snp will vote against the liberals will vote against it, the dup will vote against it, every ally in this place will vote against it. going0 tory -- and it is
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up, will vote against it. it is therefore mathematically impossible to get this deal through the house of commons. the stark reality, prime minister, is that it was dead on arrival before you stood up. so i plead with you, i plead with you to accept the political reality of the situation you now face. >> prime minister. can i say tor may: the honorable gentleman, i respect the fact he has -- or told to clear views on the issue with the european union and the relationship we should have with the european union thereafter. we will go forward with the final negotiations towards that european council meeting on the 25th of november. and when a deal is brought back, it will be for members of the house, not just to look at the details, but to consider -- to
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consider the vote of the british people, to consider our duty to deliver on the vote of the british people. this is the deal that has been negotiated with the european union, we have to finalize it and a vote will come. and it will be for the members of the house to determine how should they vote at that time in remember when they cast their vote the importance of ensuring we deliver on the vote of the british people. >> bradshaw. >> the premise to her will be aware that the main financial backer of brexit is now under criminal investigation by the national crime agency. crimes about the true money he spent. did the prime minister, when she was home secretary in 2016, declined a request from the security services for him to be investigated? prime minister may: i would say to the right honorable gentleman, that we do not
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comment in this house on individual criminal investigation, on individual investigations that take place. >> nicky morgan. >> thank you. there are many ironies in this process and one of them, as we heard, those in these benches will use the vote to -- in december and received a torrent of abuse, treachery, betrayal, and the threat of these elections. but we have heard so many times, we are where we are. i want to pay to be to the fact the prime minister did get in agreement and cabinet, and regardless of how many resignations there are between now and in the vote, that the agreement will come to parliament and parliament will have its say, and it is clear that voting for the agreement is in the national interest. prime minister may: can i say to my right honorable friend, i can
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give her the assurance that obviously we have this -- in finalizing the deal, but a deal when finalized will indeed be brought to parliament. and as i suggested, it will be for every member of the house to vote in the national i just. -- national interest. >> prime minister, no small sense of duty, but it has been a failure and it has turned out to be a humiliation. this was sold to the people as taking back control. the promises of the right-wing nationalists who have john it have been shown to -- and instead we are being asked to sign off to control our economy with no say over them and -- of billions for the privilege. is it not the case that far from taking back control, this is the biggest a voluntary surrender of sovereignty? and it is time to think again.
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>> prime minister. prime minister may: my answer to the question is no. if we look at the situation, he refers to the $39 billion, which is part of the overall package of the withdrawal agreement and the future relationship. and the future relationship that we are negotiating with the european union is designed in the political declaration, and it makes it clear, to deliver on the issues that -- whe the british people voted for brexitn. and of course as i said repeatedly many times in the south, nothing is agreed until everything is a great. >> -- the great. -- agreed. >> this backstop is intolerable and i feel confident that in the unlikely event this reaches the house, it will be virtually silly opposed. -- ferociously opposed. this could be a choice by the
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government to have no deal imposed upon it in the last minute and will she therefore trigger all of the implementation of new deal contingencies now? >> here, here. prime minister may: i say to my honorable friend, that as i indicated earlier in response to a previous question, we will be continuing the no deal preparations, because i am conscious that we have certain stages to go in relation to this process. and of course bringing the matter back to the house. and a deal recognize, that is not just a meaningful vote, but the legislation have to go through. and as i said earlier, recognizing that we have the european council and that meaningful vote to take place, we will be continuing are no deal preparations. >> mr. speaker, it might be tempting to watch the tory brexit festival, this is serious stuff. the prime minister knows that
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her analysis means that every single one of her plans means people losing their jobs. so will she work at the plan, which means leaving the least plan, of jobs, unlike her with support across the house, that means leaving the customs union and a single market. prime minister may: we will be leaving the customs union and a single market. >> whether we sit on the side of the house or that, we know that millions of people voted for brexit because they are anxious about their futures, children, and families. we must remember to consider these communities where we consider outcomes today. we know that it is no deal that will be most damaging. minister the prime
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what the response has been from the business council? the major employers in the country? focusing oner may: people outside of this chamber, they are the people that we must consider when we are looking at decisions in relation to this deal when it comes forward. there have been quite a number of quotes that have come from industry about the deal and the fact that it delivered a clear path i had that britain so desperately needs. it brings with it some certainty . it brings with it some certainty that our businesses have praised. businesses have been looking for a certainty that the deal would bring. we should be focused on that free trade area and all of that across borders.
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it is exactly what this government has done. >> can the prime minister guaranteed to the house that at the end of march we will continue to have frictionless supply chains and at the end of this process we will be in control of our borders? prime minister may: to the honorable gentleman, the future relationships we are negotiating about noeuropean union jurisdiction of the european court of justice and taking back control of our borders. the concept of the free trade area on the need for the frictionless trading of goods to ensure people whose jobs depend on this supply chain do not see these jobs go. we are not only able to retain those jobs but other trade
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agreements will be able to bring forward and we can create more jobs in the country. may i congratulate the prime minister on her exceptional efforts to honor the referendum and to achieve a deal with the european union under the most difficult and amending circumstances. will she elaborate on the scale of the future partnerships on security and defense? prime minister may: to my right honorable friend, there are two areas insecurity. one i have answered a number of questions on where we tend to maintain cooperation in a number of areas where we are currently closely with partners. the other is in next journal security and defense. we will have independent foreign policy, it will be for our decisions. is ane have negotiated
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ability for the united kingdom, where it make sense to do so, to work with our european partners on matters of security and defense. for the makes sense sanctions to be europewide rather than simply the european union. we will have the independent ability to deliver sanctions. we will cooperate with our partners in the european union. we will retain our dependence but in sure that we are able to act in the best interest of the united kingdom and the best interest of maintaining security and defense. deal is dead, the prime minister knows the deal will be a disaster. we have reached chaos, that was never the will of the people. game, this is real
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people's real lives. i appeal to her again, why will she not give the people of this country oa vote? i couldnister may: refer to the answer i gave earlier but let me repeat it. this parliament gave the people a vote. the people voted to leave and we will deliver on the people's vote. with respect to my honorable friend, i believe these issues are so complex that we should not deal with them on a personal basis. my question is this and will she , what if the brexit sector he -- secretary is right? his devastating resignation
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letter is correct that we will likely or possibly be locked in a backstop of arrangement? what if she loses this vote in parliament, which is very likely? can she promised me that she will deliver brexit at the end of march? can i say tor may: my honorable friend, first of all we will be leaving the european union on the 29th of march. that is a set date and i am determined that we will deliver on that. .hatever happens in between in relation to the question of whether or not -- were we to be in the backstop and as i said, the backstop is not an arrangement that i decide want to see being operated. i will draw his attention to one
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or two wl of those. under thepossible legal basis under which the withdrawal agreement is set. that is explicitly referred to .ithin the withdrawal agreement it does not establish a permanent relationship. that is inherent of the article 15. i would also say to my honorable friend that one of the things we have got removed from this that if we the idea moved on to the future relationship and the british government chose to change that future relationship, the backstop could be reinserted. it cannot be. once it is superseded, it cannot be revised. >> can i congratulate the prime minister, she has proven yet again that you cannot square the wheel.
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whether she believes what she has negotiated is better than the bill we have -- deal we have now. prime minister may: i believe this country's best days are ahead of us. we will get a good deal in the european union. we will take advantage of our independence outside of the european union with our trade deals around the rest of the world. my own constituency like the rest of the country is deeply divided. does my honorable friend agree that there was going to come a theorylt moment when the of a perfect brexit met the cold reality of hard choices and compromises? with me that this is not a moment to walk away and provide leadership? i do agreeter may: with him. it is a complex negotiation. difficultquire
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choices to be made. the challenge for all of us in this house is to make those choices not according to what we wish the world could be like, but the reality of the world that we see. to make those choices pragmatically in the interest of the british people. the prime minister insists that this deal is in the national interest. specifically on the economy, the agreement would ensure that we have no say in the rules in which government has played. it does not include services and offers only the illusion of future trade deals. given all this, does the treasury believe that we will create more or less jobs with the negotiated agreement or with our current relationship with the european union? prime minister may: she refers to the withdrawal agreement.
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what is important in terms of the relationships that will consist the decades between this country and european union is the future partnerships we negotiate. , it is based on the concept of a free trade area and ensuring that we have a free trade relationship. vote is meaningful before this house. members will have the appropriate analysis. >> it should be obvious that the prime minister's deal cannot pass the house. road andnning out of in 134 days, the crushing out of the european union with no deal,
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with catastrophic consequences for all the communities that we represent in this house. could i ask the prime minister to think again about whether this stage we should go back to the people? present them with the option rather than us just stumbling on into something that will have profound implications for all of our lives? the natureter may: of the brexit and our future relationship will come before this house. members of this house will have various issues to consider when they take that vote. i will say to my honorable friend as i have been to other honorable members of this house that i firmly believe that having given the choice as to whether we should leave the eu to the british people, it is right and proper and our duty as a parliament to deliver on that vote.
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we now know that during the that the u.k. will in a large part of our economy. if the backstop comes into play we will not unilaterally be able to leave it. how are we giving up our current say for no say in taking back control? prime minister may: indeed, what she'd described as a transition. back in march when the european council agreed to the concept of the transition. the point of the transition period was moving towards a future relationship. that is one in which we will have the ability to determine our position. we have frictionless trade
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and a common rule book alongside that common rulebook was a elementary law on determining whether or not this country would accept any changes. the government is preparing to the 39 billion pounds eu and there is no legal obligation to do so. we are going to get nothing in return. for is 60 million pounds each and every constituency in this country. i i had 60 million pounds would have our roads mended properly, i would have an urgent care center at the hospital and i would have millions of pounds over. please prime minister, use that money in this country, not give it to the eu. prime minister may: the premise of his question was there was no legal obligation for us to pay anything.
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isave to say, i believe that not the case. i believe there are legal obligations for this country in relation to the financial sector of the european union. weelieve that as a country, are a country that abides by our legal obligations. this deal is not any national interest in the prime minister knows that. it leaves us less secure, less influential, and more isolated. on the subject of no brexit at all. what scenariosut would lead to no brexit at all? one is that she calls an election, which i assume she won't be doing. or two, she calls a people's vote. which would be? he describesr may: what he thinks the position is going to be for the united kingdom if we go ahead with this deal. as he talks about it being more isolated.
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this would not be the case. the united kingdom will be -- it is continuing to play its role on the world stage. a variety of the organizations it will be involved in but also a way in which we negotiate with the rest of the world. in which we support and cooperate the rest of the world. on matters like security and defense. which theo sense in united kingdom will be isolated when it leaves the european union. for many months this house that it will have the future framework before it when it voted on the withdrawal agreement. primecouraged here the minister said that further detail will emerge. that will be critical to jobs in my constituency. can the prime minister say when
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we might see that future framework? prime minister may: this gives me an opportunity to set up progress that will be followed. intensebe entering into negotiations with the european union. the full future framework can be delivered to the european council as part of the overall package. that will then be published and available for members of this house to see. on legalcan't agree text of the future relationship because we cannot do that until we have left the union we have sufficient details in that future framework that members can have confidence in the future relationships with the european union when they come to vote. i don't always agree with the prime minister but i know her to be a woman of courage. down by the disloyalty of so many of her colleagues.
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i feel sorry for her because we have given her an impossible task. we know increasingly in this country and this house that there is no better than staying in the european union. i think it is time we do something to recognize and be courageous and take it back to the people. thee minister may: honorable gentleman will not be surprised that despite the fact that we have known each other throughout my career in this house it will be no different than from what i have given overall in relation to taking it back to the people. it was a decision of this parliament by 6-1. the people exercise their votes. i think it is only right and proper that this parliament, this government delivers on that boat. can the prime minister way ore any surer
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frustrating the referendum result and ultimately remaining in the european union, then to accept a hotel california brags rexit deal with all its manipulative untangling's of undemocratic practices? prime minister may: we are leaving the european union on , 2000 19.f march we are negotiating a future relationship that would deliver on the boat that took place in the referendum. we will do so because we will theg an end and out of agriculture policy. we will be leaving on the 29th of march, 2019. >> the withdrawal agreement that
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this prime minister is talking about today is not the national interest. of it allt be aware shows that 63% of the british public are against this deal with 64% favoring a vote. it is clear from the contributions this morning. will she now listen to the millions of people and give them rexit will what thb actually mean? thee minister may: documents actually were withshed yesterday evening 500 pages of declaration and the joint statement. -- once again, the assumption is that we should in some sense tried to go back on the vote the british people took. i believe absolutely that we should not. we should in short that we leave
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the european union. that was the decision taken by the british people that we will deliver on. when i resigned from the government in june, i called for the suspension of article 50 because i see a disliking parliamentary in past. know the prime minister is a thoroughly decent person who has public service running through her veins. with that in mind, and an eye on of responsibility of government, could the prime minister outlined to me the legal, political requirements of suspending article 50 or indeed revoking it? i think myter may: honorable friend will know, courtss the case of the on the issue of the extension of article 50. the government's position is clear, we will not extend article 50.
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article 14, 89, 174 of this agreement mean that the jurisdiction of the european courts will continue to reign supreme across the u.k. in a number of respects. four years after the transition. in some respects, eight years after the transition in some respects, and in the case of northern ireland, indefinitely. can she tell us in what respects her redline line on the courts of justice survives this agreement? prime minister may: i was very clear when we brought back the agreement in december that it would continue to be an ability for the interpretation of the european court of justice in relation to the law on those rights to be considered for
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periods of time the on the transition. period. in relation to northern ireland, that is not the case that it will be indefinitely under the european court of justice. the negotiation we are currently doing with the european union will in sure that the united kingdom would be removed from the jurisdiction from the european board. if you look at the government arrangement that is being put in , we are very clear that the court of one party cannot determine matters in relation to the court of another party. my friend has repeated today that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. can my friend explained why there is nothing in the withdrawal agreements which makes the withdrawal agreements legal and contingent upon the implementation of a legal relationship for the future?
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prime minister may: there are which link it to a future relationship and ensure that both sides will have best endeavors used in the relationship matter to ensure the future relationship is in place. still going tore be negotiating further details in relation to that future relationship. determination on both sides as expressed in the document that the relationship should be put in place at the end of the transition period. >> british prime minister theresa may held a news conference after appearing before the house of commons. aboutdressed questions division within her party and calls for a vote of no-confidence over her leadership. this is 20 minutes.
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prime minister may: serving in high office is an honor and privilege. it's also a heavy responsibility. that is true at any time but especially when the stakes are so high. in negotiating the e.u. withdraw after 40 years and building up from the ground up a new and enduring relationship for the good of our children and grandchildren, the matter of a highest consequence. it touches almost every area of our national life. a whole economy and virtually every job. the livelihoods of our fellow citizens. our integrity, our safety and security. all of these are at stake, my approach throughout has been to put the national interests first. not a partisan interest and certainly not my own political interests.
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i do not judge harshly those of my colleagues who seek to do the same but reach a different conclusion. they must do what they believe to be right, just as i do. i'm sorry they have chosen to leave the government and i thank them for their service. but i believe with every fiber of my being that the course i have set out is the right one for our country and all our people. from the very beginning, i have known what i have wanted to deliver for the british people, to honor their vote in the referendum. full control of our borders by bringing an end to the free movement of people once and for all. full control of our money, so we decide ourselves how to spend it on priorities like our n.h.s. full control of our laws by ending the jurisdiction of the european court of justice in the united kingdom. getting us out of the common
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agricultural and fisheries policy for good. this is exactly what this agreement will deliver. free movement ended. vast annual payments stopped. the jurisdiction of the e.c.j. over, out of the c.a.p., out of the c.f.p. this is a brexit that delivers on the priorities of the british people. in achieving these objectives, i'm determined to protect the things that are important to us. protect the hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs that put food on the tables of working families right across the u.k. those rely on transborder goods flowing easily in and out of the u.k. allowing for integrated supply chain. this agreement protects that. protects the close security cooperation that helps keep us safe. this agreement does that. protects the integrity of the united kingdom and peaceful settlement in northern ireland
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by leaving the e.u. as one united kingdom and no hard border between ireland and northern ireland. this agreement does that as well. yes, difficult and uncomfortable decisions have had to be made. i understand fully there are some who are unhappy with those compromises, but this deal delivers what people voted for and it is in the national interests and can only secure it if we unite behind the agreement reached in cabinet yesterday. if we do not move forward with that agreement, nobody can know for sure the consequences that will follow. it will take a path of deep and grave uncertainty when the british people just want us to get on with it. they are looking to the conservative party to deliver, to deliver a brexit that works for the whole u.k., a strong economy that keeps jobs safe and
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wages rising and public services we can rely on there. great schools for every child and for homes that families need. that is what the people we serve expect and that is what we owe it to them to deliver. goodness me. you normally put your hands straight up after. laura. >> thank you very much, prime minister. laura, bbc news. it's very clear you want to stick to your plan. is it the case that others are seeking to take that decision out of your hands? and prime minister, is it not the case now that you are in office but you're not really in power? prime minister may: when we bring the deal back what will happen is there will be negotiations particularly focusing on the future framework and filling the details of that out. and an e.u. council meeting. that will then be brought back
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to the house of commons and to a vote in the house of commons. i'm going to do my job of getting the best deal for britain. i'm going to do my job of getting a deal that is in the national interest. when the vote comes before the house of commons, m.p.'s will be doing their job. they will need to look at that deal. they will need to consider the vote of the british people to leave the european union and our duty to deliver on that vote and they will be held to account to their constituents for the decisions they take. tom. >> thank you, prime minister. tom from the "sun." prime minister, if those -- if there is a confidence vote held in your leadership in the conservative party, do you think it is in the national interest for you to fight it? and if you win by only one vote, will you carry on as prime minister? prime minister may: leadership is about taking the right decisions, not the easy ones. as prime minister, my job is to bring back a deal that delivers on the vote of the british people, that does that by ending
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free movement, all the things i raised in my statement, ensuring we are not sending sums to the e.u. any longer, ending jurisdiction of the european court of justice but also protects jobs and protects people's livelihoods, protects our security, protects the union of the united kingdom. i believe this is a deal which does deliver that, which is in the national interest, and am i going to see this through? yes. next question. >> prime minister, simon from "five news." surely now even you have to admit this is not strong and stable. prime minister may: what i think people will see is what i and the government have done is being sticking to the job of ensuring we're delivering for the british people. that's what we're doing. we're delivering in the british -- in the national interest and,
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look, you know, n.p.'s have been debating the best way to deliver brexit ever since the referendum took place in 2016. people have been ready to point out what they don't like. but one simple fact is noted that it insures that there's no hard border between northern ireland and ireland. i understand that people feel up comfortable in the backstop in the withdrawal agreement. and i share some of those concerns. there's another escapeable fact. there's no deal which can be agreed which does not act as an insurance policy in northern ireland. all the other approaches, norway, canada, plus, etc., they would all require a backstop. the alternative would not mean reneging on a promise to the
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people o northern ireland but it would not secure the deal. what have we been doing? we've been absolutely clear on focusing on delivering what is in the best interest of the british people. >> prime minister, are you in denial about the chances of getting this deal through parliament and for the critics in your own party that have been sending in letters very publicly , is it time for them to put up or shut up? prime minister may: you may have heard me say in the house of commons earlier is i just reiterated here. i'm going to do my job of bringing back the best deal for the united kingdom. that will be put before the house of commons. it will be put in front of members of parliament. their job will be to consider the interest of their constituents. and their job will be to consider on the vote on how to
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lead the european union. and think -- and i think most people watching this or listening to this will recognize that this is not an easy thing to do. this is a complex negotiation. but i think what most people want to know is what that what we will deliver will be in their interest. it will protect jobs. it will protect security. it will insure a great future or this country. reporter: rob hutton from "bloomberg." isn't it time to say what you clearly think, which is the brexit campaign offered something that was not on the menu. it offered very, very easy trade negotiations. it offered no negotiation with the irish border. it was going to give us everything that we wanted because of b.m.w. and preseco and things like that.
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some of the things that you were promised they were never there? prime minister may: after 14 years of membership with the european union, delivering brexit, dealing with how we're going to withdrawal is not an easy -- is not an easy negotiation. these are complex issues. i think what most member of of the public want, those actually ho voted for leave and many of those who voted to remain as well is for the government to get on with it. that's exactly what we're doing. and for the government to deliver a deal that's in the national interest, that's going to protect their jobs, and that it's going to insure that we have a future for this country. and that's exactly what we're doing. >> julia mac farland, abc news. at would you say to people will be saying?
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prime minister may: the government has recognized the draft political -- outline split declare yation. they've recognized that that president yuncker has written to say that decisive progress has been made and a council has been called for the 25th of november. and i think they they see a government that's intent to working with them to sure that we deliver a good deal for the british people. a good deal for the u.k. is a good deal for the e.u. as well. robert? robert: prime minister, you said that your deal is in the national interest. but your party is deeply divided on it. perhaps more divided more than any of us have ever seen. are you prepared to risk the break-up of your party to deliver the deal you believe in? prime minister may: as i just
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said in answer to an earlier question. m.p.'s have been debating how best to deliver on the result of the referendum ever since the result of the referendum took place. i think what the british people wanted to do and i believe m.p.'s will do is focus on the fact that people voted to leave and focus on how we do that in a way that is good for the united kingdom. i'm committed as prime minister to bringing the best deal back for the united kingdom. that's what i'm going to be doing. i expect that when we come -- members of parliament across my party will look at that deal, will recognize the important of delivering on the vote of the british people and recognize the important of doing that in a way that does protect the people's job and does protect our security and does protect our united kingdom. eorge?
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> ivan ingram -- prime minister may: sorry. >> there are rumors that michael gost will try for more concessions. will you allow whoever becomes the new brexit secretary to do that to try to get more concessions? there's been no appointments to replace people who have resigned. are you struggling to find people that want to fill those roles? prime minister may: i've had a busy day. three hours in the house of commons. but michael has been doing an excellent job and particularly in defense of the fishing industry. as you'll see there's some very important elements of the outline political declare ration that it will be a coastal sate in the future. fishing is an issue that matters to people. and michael has been insuring
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that we're delivering on that commitment that we have to come out of the common fisheries policy i haven't aponted a new secretary yet. and i -- appointed a new secretary yet. and i will be appointing one in due course. jason? jason: we've seen several of your colleagues declare that they no longer have confidence in your leadership. what will you do if there's a vote of confidence in the coming days? prime minister may: as i said earlier, leadership is about making the right decisions, not taking the easy decisions. as prime minister, my job is to get the best deal for britain and to bring that deal back to the house of commons. and that's exactly what i am focused on doing. i think members of the public want the government to get on with delivers on brexit for them. and as i said earlier am i going to see this through? yes.
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reporter: nick robertson from cnn. you talked and leadership as taking the position of the right decisions, that some of the choices have not been easy. would you share with the country some of those decisions that you personally have found have been their hard, tough, not easy decisions to take? prime minister may: as i said before i recognize there are concerns about the backstop. that is an issue. and i share in those concerns. and the decision to go forward on the basis that we have was not overall an easy one. it was a good and impassioned debate that took place in the cabinet yesterday over these issues. but overall, looking at the national interest, we agree that as a cabinet and as a government that the deal that we have is the right one to deal with, to
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go to the next step of those negotiations and those negotiations will lead up to the council on the 25th of november. esa? reporter: ever since you've been in this job, you're adamant that the country will leave in march of last year. you talked about the risk of no briss -- brexit. do you think the forces lined up in opposition to your deal that that's becoming a definite threat. prime minister may: there were a number of members of parliament who stood up today and say they're staying within the european union was the right thing to do. i disagree. we gave a vote to the british people. parliament overwelcomely gave that vote to the british to decide whether or not to stay in the european union. i believe it is our duty as a government and believe it's our duty as members of parliament to
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deliver on that vote of the british people. and we will be leaving on the 29th of march 2019. yes -- reporter: i'm wondering to what extent this crisis is to what extent of your own making a failure of expectation management and not bringing at the d.p. and hard liners within your party along with you? obviously they weren't going to like what was this this deal. should you not have brought them onboard quickly? prime minister may: we have been working on this deal where we've made clear to people what the approach that we're taking in relation to these issues that happened in december at the joint report. obviously, then there was furrer information to be put forward in the spring and in july our approach was clearly set out for people. we have been discussing with colleagues and with people in the house of commons as we have been discussing with business
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and others, as we progressed through in putting this deal together. what is the focus -- what has been the focus as i said earlier is making sure that the deal that we deliver is a deal that delivers on the vote of the british people, that does so in a way which is in the best national interest which insures that we protect people's jobs and livelihood and security. but also insures that we are able to move forward outside the european union as a global britain and for example, to insure that we can negotiate trade deals around the best of the world. i believe that's in the best interest of the people of this country. and that's what we will deliver. i'll take a couple more questions. now, george. orge: sorry -- paul -- prime minister may: anybody who thinks i've got george parker in my mind? [laughter] reporter: prime minister, if the house of commons voted for a
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majority for another referendum, would you see that as a resignation matter or having implement the will of parliament as prime minister? prime minister may: i've taken a clear view of a second referendum. and i think actually across the house of commons most members recognize that they gave a vote to the british people, and the british people delivered on that vote and not have a second referendum. as far as i know there not be a second referendum. they said we should leave the european union and we will leave on march 229th in 2019. >> [indiscernible] prime minister may: yes, there have been voices for a second ref ren -- referendum. when we bring the final package that we bring back from the european council, they will look on delivering on the vote of the
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british people and doing so in a way that protects the interest of their constituents. and i believe that is the question that members of parliament will be asking themselves at that point, not about a second referendum. i'll take as i said, just a couple of more. reporter: my question is given the difficulty likely to have this through parliament, do you regret calling a general election last year? prime minister may: no, i don't regret calling a general election last year. there will be a decision for m.p.'s to take. i'm going to do my job. i'm going to bring the best deal for the bish people. and m.p.'s will be held to account by their constituents for it. so the last question i'll take here. reporter: thank you. jay walsh, independent. you're a cricket fan from the outside it looks like from the
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moment you're a long, long way off getting the number of runs that you need. but your batsmen are dropping like flies. is there any number of wickets that will fall in your cabinet before you resign? prime minister may: can i just say that you might -- you might recall from previous comments i've made about cricket that one of my cricket heroes was always jeffrey boycott. what do you know about jeffrey boycott? he stuck to it and he got the runs in the end. thank you. announcer: c-span's "washington journal" live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up, friday morning, the milwaukee journal sentinel craig gilbert and the weekly standard, charlie sykes discuss paul ryan's career and legacy as
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