bob, so glad to have you here. bob: thank you. robert: speaking of pennsylvania avenue, i think back to our conversation with then candidate trumpn march -- bob: 2 1/2 years ago. and we s in that little restaurant before going to his hotel, which was then undergoing renovation. robert: and do you remember what he tolds? you told me then, bob, that we need to find out p hsident trump sees power. you said that's the core of a presidency, how they use power. so what have you learned? bob: yes -- so much. but to go back to that moment, wee talking about power and what we did -- obama, of course, was the incumbent. so you and i went back and looked at some obama statements. his first inaugural, he said, oh, being pnt is about restraint and humility. and real power is not having to use violence. so we asked trump, you know, what about power? and that's when he said, real power is, i don't even like to use the word, fear. and it was this moment. i kind of jumped in my chair. i think you did, too, that this is the clue. robert: how does h

don't give it to bob woodward. we're glad to have it in any way it comes.ny but why not at the time? one of the questions presented by this book is should you serve this president? for people who are doing it for the right reasons and are in national security roles, i commend them and thank them for serving the president. t but if you are going to leave or if you're forced out, make your resignation count. do it in a group. do it on the same day. and then immediately spell out in detail why you're doing it. >> david frum, tim o'brien, john heilemann, thank you for starting us off tonight. when we come back, the most revealing moment in the kavanaugh confirmation hearing today came when brett kavanaugh refused to shake the hand of a man whose daughter was killed in the mass murder at her high school in parkland, florida. that man, fred guttenberg, will join us and tell us what he wanted to say to the nominee. also tonight, we have more revelations from bob woodward's book and the "new york times" is reporting that s

>> so many paths, bob said, right? >> so many paths. that's what he just told rachel in the last hour. >> yes. you know, in one way it's sort of watergate redux with non-denial denials. people who spent hours and hours with bob woodward and gave him documents denying things that they said to him when he has them on tape. and has the documents. in the war on truth, i can't think of a better general on the side of truth than bob woodward. and that's where we stand right now. >> i wanted -- here's a quote from rob porter in the book. let's remember, rob porter and gary cohn their written statements -- they don't attempt to contradict a single word in the book. porter says, it felt like we were walking along the edge of the cliff perpetually. other times we would fall over the edge. and an action would be taken. and tim o'brien, it's very clear, i mean, anyone who knows how to read these books can tell that rob porter is a direct source, speaking directly to bob woodward as is gary cohn. these statements they've issued today are things that

now you've got no margin. >> bob: now you have to look to the end zone. >> brock: yep. >> bob: what a crucial penalty. >> brock: now you look at that call sheet. if i said shenault's got to leave this building getting his opportunity, so does morgan. and a beautiful job by bunch to buy time and just throw another beautiful pass high and away from morgan to go up and get it. this has to be morgan or spielman or they have to play central roles in such deception to free other people up. but they're your best players and you want to go down, if you go down, you want to go down swinging giving those guys an opportunity. >> bob: stanley morgan, widest to the top of your screen wide left. andrew bunch, swing pass in the right flat. greg bell's got to get out of bounds. and that did nothing for nebraska. he gained about a half yard or a handful of yards. got back to the original line of scrimmage. but now it's down to 13 seconds to go. second down from just outside the 20. >> brock: 20 seconds, you can catch this in the middle of the field and absolutely still get up and spike it. and with 13

well, bob woodward has done it again. he has written another book that goes deep inside he another presidency. and as usual, portions of the book appeared in the "washington post" first. they appeared today, a week before the book will actually be published. bob woodward has spent his career at the "washington post" and has written books about the inside workings of every presidency beginning with the nixon white house. bob woodward quotes white house chief of staff john kelly, calling the president an idiot. he quotes defense secretary james mattis comparing donald trump's comprehension level to "a fifth or sixth grader." he quotes james mattis telling the president he's trying to "prevent world war 3." he quotes donald trump calling his attorney general jeff sessions "mentally retarded." and he quotes the president's former criminal defense lawyer john dowd telling the president that if the president testifies under oath in the mueller investigation the president will end up in "an orangeup psuit." the lawyer told the p

bob woodward hours of time, and that he himself did not participate, the president thinks he is his own best mes n messenger, they they did not bring the opportunity to him aggressively to participate in the book. >> this audiotape that bob woodward recorded with the president. bob recorded it and he was saying he was disapointed that president trump did not participate and president trump said i did not know about it, nobody brought it to me, and he says i spoke to kellyanne co conway, and he says i didn't know anything about it, and she walks into the office and is confronted by president trump. >> she said he spoke to you, but you never told me. why didn't you tell me? >> remember two-and-a-half months ago you came over and i laid out they wanted to talk to the president. >> i do, and i put in the request, but it was rejected. i can only take it so far. >> so the president now saying he would have wanted to participate. >>> he says some of them are scared of me, and he was frustrated that he wa

the president -- >> in that conversation that the president had with bob woodward after bob woodward basically finished the book in early august, the president said i would have loved to do an interview, but nobody told me. blah, blah, blah. he said i called everybody, i called kellyanne conway, i called the principal deputy white house press secretary, ra shah, who is that? this is unbelievable. >> its absolutely unbelievable and one of the challenges the white house is going to have in pushing back against this book is the president is on tape telling bob woodward i think you're fair and a widely respected journalist. he says he reached out to six people to arrange an interview with the president. the president said you never reached out it me and actually lindsey graham did tell me you were seeking an interview with me. i think that unlike michael wolff's book where they were able to try and discredit some portions of it, over here you have woodward saying that he has actual recordings and receipts. its worth noting, it also underscores that people are just at the whims of an impu

bob, you've always been very fair to me. those are his own words >> there's a reference in there to 20 years ago of an interview that bob did with trump and again the fairness of it. it was bob and myself in trump tower. we went to see trump there. he was just fine with the whole thing. >> that audio of listening to bob woodward's current-day conversation with president trump is fascinating, we'll play that for you. in terms of the color of what this books reveals to give people an illustration, gary cohn, one of the top financial guys in the trump white house, he says there was a critical trade deal that the president would have withdrawn the u.s. from. and gary cohn understood that would affect national security and it was waiting on the president's desk and he knew the president would sign it so he swiped it off the president's desk because he didn't think the president had the understanding of the consequences. here's what gary cohn says. i stole it off his desk, i wouldn't set let him see it, he's never going to see tha

bob? >> i'll start with you, bob. >> what would happen. the department would try to count up all of the moneys and resources being devoted to the space mission and capabilities as it could possibly do. be as accurate as it could. if you created a separate space force, that would be their initial budget share of the department. now, you have to ask yourself, is that the right budget share? you would have to then debate that. and so budget share between departments is very, very difficult to move. because of the reactions that it causes. and there are as many congressional proponents for spending more money in cyber as there are in space. there are -- there is a very vibrant ship building caucus that thinks we ought to be spending more money on ships. and so as john said, you would get into a very, very interesting intramural firefight on exactly how much resources would be devoted to the top line of the new service, which would have title 10 authority to organize, train, and equip space for

and finally bob kehler. bob was head of space command, very distinguished retired general officer who knows space inside and out. air force and he will bring these-- he's not a parochial man. i know bob's thinking about it, but he's a truth seeker. he's one that's going to insist that we articulate the real reality here and not just adopt slogans. so we're going to make a good morning of this. i've asked each of them to take take a few minutes, a perspective, so you have a feel for why they're here and those sorts of things and i'm going to try to integrate with a few questions and then turn to all of you. bob, let's work our way up this way. let's start with you. >> i carefully positioned myself at the end of the row so i wouldn't be first. and dr. hamre has thwarted my carefully laid plan. i was delaying standing here until everybody else would go first. thanks to dr. hamre and csis for inviting me. this is a really important issue and i'm happy to be a part of the conversation today. i will make a couple

the title of bob woodward's book is "fear." they fear if they're not there, if they leave, if they get fired, there's no one standing between donald trump and endangering national security. >> can we put a reality check in here that one of the reasons why donald trump did what he did is because he rightly so thinks that he is his own best spokesman but as you said it was his rebuttal and there still is that 30 and change percent of people who believe, who will choose to believe what he says about "new york times," about the fact that this is not true, this is not real. and the idea that he wanted to get out there to kind of bring all of those very, very loyal supporters in to the fold immediately and catch them is really telling. is very, very telling. it is his anger. it is his rage. but also strategic. >> i also think he wanted to be on tv. >> yes. that's what i mean. >> saying his piece. >> this line that the president had, sarah sanders had, going after the news media in the statement, this is just another example of the li

what do you think, bob, is the most significant revelations? national security, t t t projection of power, the alliances and how america remains a stead fast alley and an an adversary? >> it's something carl focused on a year ago about trump, and that is the line, things that are just not true. and trump has a view of the world that somehow he can come in as the disrupter and that the framework that was handed to him 70 years of work by democratic and republican presidents to keep the peace quite female and use trade agreements, security agreements like nato, and top secret intelligence partnerships to protect the united states, and there are scenes in the book where he just will not have any of it and has this very difficult catastrophic view quite frankly that the issue is money. oh, my god, we are protecting european countries, we're protecting south korea and we're losing money. and he literally says in one meeting we are being played for suckers. we would be so rich if we were smart. well, the generals, the people who know this tell him ve

. >> bob woodward released the audio last month after the book was completed in which he informed the president of his efforts through multiple aides to secure an interview with him. >> sorry we missed the opportunity to talk for the book. >> well, i just spoke with kellyanne. she asked me if i got a call. i never got a call. i never got a message. who did you ask about speaking to me? >> well, about six people. >> well, they don't tell me. >> senator -- i talked to kellyanne about it two and a half months ago. she came for lunch. >> well, it's too bad. i'm just hearing act it. i did hear from lindsey but i'm just hearing act it. we'll have a very inaccurate book and it's too bad. i don't blame you entirely. accurate is that nobody has ever done a better job than i'm doing as president. >> oh, okay. so willie, can i ask you, which lie was less convincing, his lie to omarosa that he didn't know she was fired. >> and escorted out. >> and escorted out. or his lie to bob woodward that he had no idea that the book was being written. >> they're both pretty bad, but this one woodward describ

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this is the conversation between bob woodward and president trump, which bob woodward recorded. and he told the president he was recording. >> with his permission. >> with the permission of the president. and kellyanne conway was in the oval office when they had the conversation. listen to this. >> you and i spent a whole lunch on it, kellyanne. and i said i want to cover the substantive issues in foreign policy and domestic policy. and you said you would get back to me. nothing. >> yeah. so i did. i presented it to the people here who make those decisions, but -- but anyway. i'll give you back to the president. and i'm glad to hear that you tried through seven or eight different people. >> yeah. >> that's good. you should tell him all the names. thank you. >> but you never called for me. it would have been nice, bob -- if you called for me in my office. i have a secretary. i have two, three secretaries. if you would have called directly, a lot of people are afraid -- i hardly -- i do, i do. and kellyanne went to somebody. but she didn't come to me. >> well -- >> and she should

that's bob woodward's characterization. what may have happened -- >> that's gary cohn's characterization according to the book. >> do you know if that memo was properly vetted and signed off by gary or others to be put on the president's desk at that time? i don't know the facts behind it but i do know those gentlemen's job was to control paper flow on and off -- >> that's not how it was described in the book. >> of course it's not described that way. of course it's not described that way -- >> remember who you're talking about. that is bob woodward. it's not omarosa. it's not some disgruntled staffer. >> again, i will stand by general kelly and general mattis every day, 10 days out of 10, rather than bob woodward. >> i'll tell you what, the things they're accused of saying, it's not the first time i've heard them accused of it. >> you're saying you don't believe the credibility -- >> i'm saying they say what they say, and i can't disprove it. i'm just saying bob woodward -- >> i've got to say -- >> go ahead. >> as somebody

bob woodward is a good journalist. there's no doubt in my mind that whatever he wrote in that book, he had sources for. but at the end of the day, he's going to be judged by results. president trump, in my world, where i live, in south carolina, most people are very pleased with what the president's doing. >> because this individual who wrote this article in "the new york times" clearly is -- "the new york times," you believe "the new york times" would not have published it if they had not confirmed it was a senior trump administration official. >> i'm sure that it could be one of a bunch of people. all i can say is i've never heard this before. i'm going to judge the president by the results. and i like what he's doing with judges, what he's doing with the military, what he did with taxes. and that will matter in my world. in my world, when "the new york times" speak, most of us don't listen. nothing against the paper, but it's sort of seen as the voice of the left. >> because the author of this article -- >> because

yes, i spoke to bob woodward. it's as if many of the officials want the public to know they're trying to blow the whistle or save the country. incredible set of circumstances. and as you said, this is very, very rare. only a few times in the paper's history to publish something like this. >> thank you so much. let's bring the panel back. from an anonymous senior trump official. the bigger concern is not what mr. trump has done to the presidency but what we have allowed him to do to us. we have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility. senator john mccain put it best. all americans should heed his words and break free of the tribalism trap with the high aim of uniting through the shared values and love of this great nation. jeffrey toobin, i don't think this op-ed is going to make that point so much as underlining the point of the woodward book. what do you think? >> no. i think it is cumulative with the woodward book, with the omarosa book and the journalism we see every day. i mean,

first of all we're hearing bob mueller's voice through bob woodward's book. and the president's own attorney not just protecting this president, president trump but protecting effectively the presidency and protecting effectively the country from embarrassment by having the president testify in this way. remember, dowd did quit shortly thereafter. so clearly he didn't think that donald trump was going to listen him to in the end and he wasn't the advocate, perhaps donald trump that he thinks key be. remember he thinks if i sit across somebody i can make my case, i'll convince them, i'm a salesman, i can make this happen. dowd is telling him in no uncertain terms no, sir, you're not. >> another angle involving the donald trump legal team. there's new reporting on whether the special counsel is giving the president's attorneys a little breathing room. that's next. but first, here's bill karins -- >> you get in an elevator with him, he pushes -- >> stop. bill karins is adorable. >> tell us about the weather down south where donald trump blaefs everybody is stupi

let me turn to the bob woodward book. many of the same themes about aides trying to restrain the president. the president is an idiot, he's a liar, he's off the rails operating at a 5th or 6th grade level. i can tell you from my firsthand knowledge that bob woodward is a meticulous reporter. while some trump officials are denying the comments, he says he has hundreds of hours of tapes and transcripts. mollie: i think it claims against bob woodward aren't that he makes up quotes. but he talks to just a certain type of fern who is going to trash the principle. howie: let me read you a tweet from the president about this book talking about some of the senior officials around him. their quotes were made up. a con on the public. woodward is a damn operative? notice timing? you can say a lot of the things about woodward. his techniques can be controversial and there are often denials about what he reports. but' a dem operative? you can't dismiss that. sara: when woodward came to him, he said the administration took that serious

he's good at b.s., salesmanship, but truth is bob woodward's game. >> bob woodward has a long record of meticulous reporting. none of us sitting here having this conversation, nobody in washington is going to take donald trump's word over bob woodward's. but donald trump is not necessarily playing to that crowd and his base will assume that bob woodward is just part of the deep state and the elitist -- >> really? >> yes, to trump's base, absolutely, yes. everybody else will believe woodward. >> ryan, i've known bob woodward 40 years. i don't even know what party he's in. never heard a liberal sentiment once come out of his mouth, annie. >> he comes across as a sober mind the counter point to trump. the recording that was released to the washington post of donald trump talking to bob woodward was such a sober minded individual talking to him very calmly, which is -- to your point, the exact opposite of trump's demeanor, which is to kind of go nuts on someone. >> you have bob woodward, amoroso's book and this article running in "the new york times" a couple days ago. the president is c

matt: with us is bob. bob, its images in question about iran's oil production but i wonder even more broadly, what is going to happen with the sanctions? do you see europe playing at all 'sth u.s. sanctions of iran oil goods business or do you see them getting around it? bob: i think we are going to struggle getting around it. political europe is one thing but i don't think corporate europe, i think they would bad straits with the iranians than the americans. they will respect whatever the political leadership in europe wants. deale all going to have to with it. i think particularly outside of europe, the emerging markets, the biggest customers of neuron -- of iran, they have any creasing the expensive dollar. they need to use it to pay for oil as well. thing butrope is one the impact on ian countries is significant. >> even if there is a structure that is politically possible to make payments away from the dollar network, maybe corporate won't jump on that. that's an interesting line. prices moreoil broad

bob woodward is a man who deserves respect. you can't -- >> i think bob woodward is a good reporter, but he has a history of being a hostage to his sources. many books he's done where if you're giving him information, administrative sources, administration sources, get good portrayals in the books. people that don't give him good information, they don't come across so well. >> he reached out to the president. he wanted to talk to him. you heard the phone call between the two of them, right? >> the way this book has turned out. >> i think the president was smart not to talk to him because he talked to a lot of people who were ex-administration people who are not happy with the president. at least that's what we were led to believe. it's anonymous sourcing. >> right. but that doesn't mean it's not true. as we all know, most of the best reporting we get is from anonymous sources because they don't want to be revealed, and they're often likely to tell you the most truthful things. >> but, chris, i'm watching your network. they're s

rigorous than bob. i don't think given the nature of the fight that manafort put up, the seriousness of the crimes and the power of the evidence of those crimes that this deal would have been offered absent some very powerful evidence. in our profession and those who defend and prosecute criminal matters you only get a deal like this if you go up the chain. who is up the chain from paul manafort? he was the chair of the trump campaign. >> not many. >> don jr., roger stone, the campaign itself and perhaps ultimately the president. i think there is a substantial -- we don't know for sure, the judge is right. there's a substantial possibility that this evidence that manafort is offering will implicate somebody up the chain. >> judge, we heard alan dershowitz who has been positive about the president saying it's a huge win for mueller, opens up a lot of doors that haven't been opened. in terms of the russia investigation. at the same time we hear a dismissive reaction from the president's legal team. this i

talking to bob woodward, telling bob woodward that bob woodward has always been fair to him. >> that's right. >> we'll play that tape coming up. it's not just the president. a number of administration officials have come out against the book in different ways. >> that's true. and anderson, one thing we should point out, this did not all come out when these excerpts came out this morning. this took some time. this white house was caught somewhat flat-footed by all of this. they did not have a response for several hours, but sarah huckabee sanders put out a statement, the press secretary saying this book is nothing more than fab indicated stories, many by former disgruntled employees told to make the president look bad. but anderson, as you know, many of the people quoted in the book are still in the administration, including john kelly, the chief of staff who, yes, is pushing back on some of the comments, but not all of the comments. but, yes, the secretary of defense james mattis has put out a statement saying that portions that have been attributed to him are not true, as has rudy giu

so says bob woodward. why they say americans should not believe what they read. ♪ >> a number of people have come out and said that woodward never even reached out to corroborate statements that were attributed to them. no effort was made, it seems like a very careless and reckless way to write a book. ♪ your brain changes as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. ♪ >> harris: tributes, and a new monument to honor the victims of 9/11. 17 years later. the terror attacks took nearly 3,000 people, as you know, when hijackers flew planes into the twin towers, the pentagon, and a field near shanks hill, pennsylvania. president trump visited that field today, where he paid tribute to the victims. >> we grouped together for every mother and father, sister and brother, son and daughter, who was stolen from us at the twin towers, the

clearly when you get into a battle of credibility between bob woodward and this white house bob woodward wins hands down. i'm sure he learned everything he knows from carl, he has a 50-year track record of get things right. on the other hand you have president trump, just today they came out with the latest fact checker saying president trump lies an average eight times a day. they lie more than the nixon white house did. they have negative credibility, less than zero credibility, so it's just hard to take on faith anything they say and denying anything in this book especially because it paints a consistent picture if you read like what michael wolf said or omarosa said, it's very similar where people around trump have contempt around him. they view him as an an idiot, a liar. >> and it's very consistent the credibility -- >> yes, he adds details. >> this is something because when you were telling me to go down the line and name all these people. this is cohn and one that illustrates a level of distrust for president trump. president trump was about to sign a letter that would have ended

bob? >> thank you for setting this up, an important subject, they have said, what is the problem, the problem was stated by congress, and it was, quote, space has not been able to get the attention it needs culturally or resource wise. that was the problem statement. they jumped directly to a solution, create a separate space force, to segregate the space professionals. that is where we are as of right now. i would answer first, the first- order answer would be, the united states has the most capable national security space constellation in the world. so space had not been given the attention, if it hadn't been, we would not be in this envious position, we rely upon these forces for strategic intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance, and indications of warnings of attack, and global battle management and command-and-control. as bob said, forming the back bone of what they called operational battle networks, that we assemble distant theaters, and providing direct combat support, not o

are you concerned or does it bother you a little above bob woodward's book see here. that you know i. should. say it does bother me i think others are a lot of reasons why does bother me but i want to be can with you larry i haven't read it yet i've read the excerpts i did download it you know used to be you go to the bookstore and buy it i downloaded it as soon as the became available and had every intention to start last night but i fell asleep instead so i could be honest but having said that i think you know bob woodward has made a career off of a really solid journalistic. success seven years ago and since then he is really further that career by writing books that are very critical of republican astray sions and very and do a lot of praising of democratic ministrations and i the my challenge the problem i have with this book from what i'm aware of or right now and i want to keep stating that is it really seems like every time he writes about a republican ministration it's from devolve little bit further into gossip and we're really almost the kitty kelley versio

bob: cyber. alix: really? bob: it should, everybody. it is not a bp thing. ciber is the thing you worry about for your own companies and the world. alix: the thing that freaks me out the most, i ignore it. ceo, thank yous very much. coming up, we will speak with the ceo of the world's largest agricultural company. david: and we still have david kostin hear from goldman sachs. i want to ask you about bp specifically. how do you regard energy as a sector? david k: if you think about it from the top down point of view and cyclicals, it is part of the cyclical part of the economy. if you think about it from a micro point of view, there is better growth in areas of the cyclical part of the market. double-digit growth in earnings and the technology space as an example. from a top-down or bottom-up, a different perspective. david: some of this rebalancing that happened after the close of the markets on friday. , they put services some really odd companies together. tell us about what happened and what is the significance? david k: it will take place this friday aft

bob mueller still continuing i had investigation. the president lashing out at all investigations, lashing out at his attorney general. we know, number one, it's a bob woodward book. we know the president's ego. we know his aides kept him from participating. kaitlan collins saying the president is mad about that. you have additional information. >> i think that may not be true. we have a transcript of a phone call, president trump on august 14th, after we broke the story that the book was coming out, called bob woodward. they spoke for 11 minutes. we have a transcript of the beginning of the call. he says, why didn't you ask me for an interview? bob explains that he asked six different people not only at the white house but he asked some senators to pass along. at first trump says, well, i didn't know anything about it. then all the sudden bob woodward says, did senator lindsey graham tell you? guess what, oh, yes, trump says. that's true. that's true. so it's not true that the request didn't get to trump, by that phone call. i think

because it is bob woodward. his methods are to reconstruct dialogue based on what two sources told him what was said. and so, of course, is it possible that some of the dialogue is inaccurate, not 100% right on the money? of course. memories are faulty. people remember different things. but the way he triang lates information, generally the accuracy of his books have not been challenged. and the picture he paints here is so deeply disturbing, though it won't be surprising to anyone who watches msnbc or regularly reads "the new york times" or "the washington post." in fact, he confirms some previous nbc reporting like the fact that trump called his chief of staff john kelly and idiot and erupted volcanically in a secret meeting about afghanistan policy because he was so frustrated with the proposals that his generals were presenting him. but, i mean, just the words that people are using even in reviews of the woodward book to describe the president of the united states. emotionally overwrought, unpredictable lead

so the only one that he was denying for some reason was the word idiot, but to bob woodward, bob woodward is a legendary investigative journalist. he is a two-time pulitzer prize winner. he interviewed dozens of sources, all firsthand people who have been in the room with trump, and when you read the book what you will see is that they're all quoted extensively. and why are they quoted extensively? bob woodward did hundreds of hours of taped interviews with his sources. he is known for his credibility and in the past when he's been questioned, you know, there's the great denial that happens when a book comes out and people don't like the way they've been quoted, but then it's proven that it was accurate. >> all coming back to tapes, jamie. >> that's right. >> it's all coming back to the tapes. >> right. >> jamie, stick around. i want to add to the conversation right now, john dean is here and eliana johnson, a correspondent for politico. john, i've got many questions, but an attorney to the president warning him that he can't testify because he's going to person perjure himself and the pr

no one knows bob woodward like my next guest carl bernstein. i'm joined now by carl as well as patrick healey, the politics editor at the "new york times." i would like to talk about the woodward book and the "new york times" op-ed book that's making waves. we have just heard from woodward for the first time on cbs. he talked about what he hopes people will take away from this book. let's take a look at what woodward said. >> this one was in the belly of the beast. >> and what did you conclude about the beast? >> that people better wakeup to what's going on. >> and to what woodward is saying in this book and what he wants the public to know? carl, do i have you? i'm sorry -- >> i think i couldn't hear you, brian. >> you're a little bit far away from me today. i was asking for your reaction to what woodward was say about t the fact that the public needs to wake up. this needs to be a wakeup call. >> i think that's true because this book is an astonishing book with detail piled upon detail, with memoranda in which people in the administration of

that's with bob mueller. for everyone else sitting out there, roger stone, for example, this is bad day. obviously a very bad day for the president. my biggest take away from this in the broad spectrum of what's going on from a prosecutor's perspective is mueller has been climbing this ladder and reaching the highest wrungs of this ladder. this next step is to target the closest to the president. that's donald trump junior and jared kushner who are par tis tan -- participants in that trump tower meeting. if that illegal quid pro quo took place you could have serious federal charges brought against don junior and kushner. if you get those two under indictment, they are very close to the president. if i'm the president, you're sitting very uncomfortable tonight. >> you're zeroing in on whether there was a crime committed or conspired. that's an issue, did that happen and as all fair prosecutors have to do on a probative side, do you have enough to win the case? you wouldn't necessarily want to hang that entire

i think we should take seriously, though, bob woodward's reporting. he's done eight or nine presidents now. his reporting has held up over the years. i'm about ten chapters into the book. it's a better read than i thought it would be. so i think this book's going to emerge, and he's on the right side of history, and he's disclosing what i think is really just book one of a multi-volume set. >> yeah. well, i'm behind because i haven't started it yet. but, you know, good luck. i will start soon. thank you, john dean. i appreciate your time. >> thank you, don. >>> make sure you stay with cnn, everyone, for the very latest on hurricane florence, okay? stay tuned because we have a lot more. we're going to keep you posted on that. >>> when we come back, though, tonight on the 17th anniversary of 9/11, a new assessment of the dangers of terror attacks. i'm going to ask fareed zakaria would our allies still come to our aid today like they did after 9/11? can be relentless. tremfya® is for adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. i'm ready. with tremf

was bob woodward believed back then? >> it was bob woodward and carl bernstein. they were metro reporters on the washington post. they were relatively new to it and they were out there on an island along for quite a while before anyone else was reporting what they were. so it took a while, but as bob said, our editor in that period, ben bradley would say the truth eventually emerges, and it did, but there was a long time when they were out there alone, and it took the truth a while to emerge. >> christian, it has been by my count, two and a half weeks without a white house briefing. >> ali, pretty stunning. we are hoping for one our fingers and toes are crossed they'll add one to the schedule today. the question why, it's not exactly clear. we know that obviously there's a new communications director in bill shine. of course, the former fox news executive, and there's a sense and a feeling within the administration that they want to as much as possible allow this president to drive the headlines and the narrative coming out of this white house. and so that's why

"fear" is bob's 19th book. all have been national bestsellers and "fear" marks bob's 13th book at the top of the bestseller list. i think he holds the record for the most number one nonfiction bestsellers of the author. each time oneof his revelatory books appears, the question comes out , how did you get people to talk to him? why did people agree to share their stories? i suppose everyone who confides in bob has his or her own reason, but one thing i know is a former colleague of his at the washington post who has on occasion reported in bob's wake, one thing i know is how hard bob prepares and how hard he pushes and probes. these methodical and relentless, fastidious about facts and hell-bent on obtaining documents when ever he can get his hands on them to verify whether something did or didn't happen. let me just say also again as a former colleague of bob's, but bob can be truly generous with his time and his advice. many of us at the post have been grateful is remained on the staff as an associate editor,

but bob woodward has a lot of credibility. he has written major books on eight different presidents, won two pulitzer prizes. he is known for his investigative reporting and his accuracy. >> thank you all. i appreciate it. it was a great conversation. >> thank you. >> i'll see you next time. when we come back, another stunning primary upset tonight. boston's first woman of color to serve on the city council, ayanna pressley. tonight, defeating a ten-term democratic congressman, michael capuano in the race for his own seat. ♪ celebrate good times ♪ come on ♪ (gasps) l'oréal's magic root cover up. 3 seconds to flawless roots. 3, 2, 1. roots gone! magic root cover up by l'oréal paris. look for the turquoise one. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth... are you in good han

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